Pavers Next to Retaining Wall

For a portion of a paver walkway path I would like to have a low (24") retaining wall. ideally the wall would next to the pavers without a gap. Normally we would use the PaveEdge material both on the retaing wall and the paver path, but this would mean about a 6" gap between the path and the wall. Can I put the put the pavers right next to the retaining wall and use the retaining wall to support the paver path.
Thank you

[Paver]

Yes, you can lay the bedding sand and pavers up to your wall and use your wall as the edge restraint. Use your edging on the outside of the wall to keep it from pushing out over time.

Paver,
What I was thinking to do was to place the PaveEdge strip in the back of the wall in the area where the pavers butted up next to the wall. This method would keep the walkway from spreading and pushing the wall at ther base. Then the PaveEdge on the other side of the walkway would keep the path stable. Everything would be locked in place. Where the wall moves away from the pavers then the PaveEdge would be placed outside the wall and another PaveTech strip would be placed to lock the walkway in place.

[Paver]

I'm a little confused. Are you planning to use 3 strips of edging? 1 on the outside of the sidewalk without the wall, 1 on the otherside of the sidewalk with the wall and 1 on the outside of the wall?

[pestocat]

Originally Posted by Paver

I'm a little confused. Are you planning to use 3 strips of edging? 1 on the outside of the sidewalk without the wall, 1 on the otherside of the sidewalk with the wall and 1 on the outside of the wall?

Paver,
Sorry for the confusion. As I mentioned part of the walkway will be touching the wall. In this area I'll have one strip next to the sidewalk with no wall and in the area with the wall next to sidewalk I plan to have the strip on the inside of the wall. This will keep the wall next to the sidewalk and will keep the sidewalk in place too. In the sidewalk area where the wall does not touch the sidewalk then the strips will be on both sides of the sidewalk as normal. And then there will be a strip on the outside of the wall to keep it in place. Does this make sense now?
pestocat

1) Why would you use edging on a retaining wall?

2) If you're laying pavers up against the wall you don't need edging on that side.

[Paver]

Originally Posted by Orchard Ex

1) Why would you use edging on a retaining wall?

2) If you're laying pavers up against the wall you don't need edging on that side.

1 - Using edging along the outside of the walk (not the side against the pavers) keeps it from moving WITHOUT needing to bury a course of block.

2 - Correct.

[ProspectsStoneWorks]

Originally Posted by Paver

1 - Using edging along the outside of the walk (not the side against the pavers) keeps it from moving WITHOUT needing to bury a course of block.

2 - Correct.

I would imagine the size (weight) of the blocks might make a difference as well.

ie. If your using big heavy Versa Lok blocks and it's a retaining wall, then it's probally not going anywhere. However, if your only doing a little 14" high decorative dbl sided wall using Techo's little Mini Creta......you might want to consider edging the back of those blocks, as they only weigh about 8 lbs and might shift depending on the traffic on the walkway. Agree?

[Granite]

Adding to this discussion...if the wall is not a retaining wall but a free-standing wall, let's say only 24" high; using a tumbled 4"x8"x4" wall block, is there enough mass in that free-standing wall to retain a small residential patio?

[teacher]

Even in the case of a 24" free standing wall, there will be either a burried base course, or the first course will be installed at grade using an edge restraint to prevent it from shifting out. Most SRW units have some type of alignment device (pins, clips, tongue and groove, etc...) which will help to create a cohesive mass with the burried base course or 1st course locked in with an edge retraint. In either case, in a residetial patio, the free standing wall will will perform well as an edge restraint.

[Granite]

I think I like the idea of using pave edge in place of a buried base course but I don't see any retaining wall company promoting that idea. Do you know of any retaining wall company that allows pave edge to replace a buried base course? Or are they too interested in selling block to allow such a thought? Does anyone know of an engineered wall that was built with pave edge in place of the buried base course? Thanks again!!

[FenuritteeTot]

I am looking to replace a 21 linear foot long, 18" high retaining wall currently made of rotting 6x6s. A fence will be built along the low side of the retaining wall, hence, cosmetically, the retaining wall will not be seen.
The top of the wall will be flush with interlock pavers. I am looking for suggestions as to a low cost, solid material from which to construct this wall. One option is to use blocks but am hoping to find something less than 3/stone which at 170 pieces would cost 750 tax in. Thanx in advance for your ideas?

[Granite]

Why is cost your #1 concern. Figure out the correct construction method then determin if you can afford it or not. If you cant afford it, dont build it!!